darth vader 77 posts Mar 03, 2010 11:52 PM	---------- doug is bring the trophy home
vtxman59 GP Cheerleader 1215 posts Mar 04, 2010 7:09 AM	that's good, maybe we will have more than 16 players and 12 players tonight, like we had last night. I honestly do not think that we have the player base, at least in GP, to go hunting that trophy on nights we have venues, I don't know how many went last night, but it devastated the turnout at JD's, if we send eight or nine players we lose an entire table, this cannot be a good thing for Riverdogs. I am not the only one that thinks this either we were all discussing it last night, since we had so much time to kill between games, and the consensus was pretty much that same from everyone, granted the players were the ones who think its better to support our home venues than to go chasing double points. luckily, we have a TD that was able to use some smarts to stretch the games out a bit with less players, but still in the second game we were at 9 players just as the blinds went to 200/400/50 I finished third and was home by 10:30. ----------
DocWilson 228 posts Mar 04, 2010 9:43 AM	One of the problems Ken is no communication among players as to who will go challenge. Tuesday night there were only 5 that went to Medford. I knew 2 wouldn't be there Wednesday evening, so I took one more with me. It ended up that there were 8 of us there. But I also don't think that the extra 4 players there would have made that big of an impact at home. The games would have lasted maybe an extra 20 minutes. Just my 2 cents worth. ----------
vtxman59 GP Cheerleader 1216 posts Mar 04, 2010 9:57 AM	no maybe 4 would not have, but 8 would have given us 3 tables instead of 2, like I said we don't have the player base, to send an entire table worth of players to get a trophy on a night we have a venue, it hurts our attendance dramaticly. we should leave it until a night when we don't have a venue...my 4 cents ---------- Last Edited on 4-Mar-2010 9:58 AM
evilyn 208 posts Mar 04, 2010 9:15 PM	Well it starts all over again. Medford takes the trophy again Evil'lyn/ Lyn Passalacqua/Medford
crickitdee TD - Medford 125 posts Mar 05, 2010 9:21 AM	Who won the trophy from medford? ---------- Crickitdee/Deb
Chippopotamus 1 post Mar 05, 2010 2:48 PM	I think it is both ways. Yes it sucks to be a little short handed but you dont have to send half of your regular turnout to challenge for it. i support my venues here and i really liked going to GP and medford to challenge. It was fun, and lets be honest, playing with the same people every night gets old. If people want to challenge take a small group of your better than average players and support a different venue once in a while. Dont empty out your local spot but send a few sometime and meet some new people.
DocWilson 231 posts Mar 06, 2010 12:31 AM	The problem is that there isn't communication amongst players as to who will be going. Of the 5 GP players at Medford on Tuesday evening 2 said they weren't going on Wednesday. So, I took one more so that we'd have 4. It ends up 5 more decided to go on their own. Oops. Kens idea of only double points for 1st place may sound good, but players probably wouldn't travel after the trophy then, unless it was local. And since we haven't had a Bounty tourney here in GP for a few months it's nice getting some double points somewhere. And as said above it does get boring playing the same players all the time. Just my 2 cents worth. ----------
jeffc 17 posts Mar 06, 2010 6:20 PM	Ken had the best idea and it should be made into a rule for challenging the trophy. A trophy challenge should ONLY be valid if, and only if, the challenging city has NO venue the night of the challenge. All other aspects of the trophy challenge could stay the same, double points for all players, getting to play new people once in a while etc. This single small rule change will take care of the whole business and still allow all cities to keep their attendance up while adding to the attendance of other cities' venues.
JackAzz56 41 posts Mar 07, 2010 9:24 AM	Well pinch me I know I'm dreaming........Making it a rule to only challenge on nights your own city isn't playing at a local venue won't work....why...What's gonna happen when your city you play in will have 5 nights a week.... ----------
vtxman59 GP Cheerleader 1225 posts Mar 07, 2010 12:21 PM	that's a good point, there is no easy answer, maybe the double points only for the winner thing, or maybe eliminate it altogether, either way we cannot survive If we keep having short attendance at home venues, JD's was not happy with 12 players last week, or at least the bartender wasn't especially when it was the second week in a row with ultra low attendance. and lets face it, Medford and GP are pretty evenly matched so it just bounces back and forth, like it did in its last incarnation. so we get it Saturday Medford takes it Tuesday, so we go Wednesday to get it back, JD's has another short night, we get it back, Shenanigans has a good night and so on and so on. here is an idea to toss around, how about if a city loses the trophy or a trophy challenge they have to wait a week before they can challenge again? ----------
The Drew family 12 posts Mar 07, 2010 10:29 PM	who has the trophy gp.or mf
evilyn 210 posts Mar 08, 2010 9:25 AM	Grant Pass has the trophy. It was won by Jed. Tuesday night at Cedarwood will be the first chance for someone to win it back. I am sure that Ken will welcome all Medford players even if it leaves their venue short of people on Tuesday at the Trophy Club.. LOL Just kidding Ken. Evil'lyn/ Lyn Passalacqua/Medford
JackAzz56 43 posts Mar 08, 2010 9:58 AM	Actually we will coordinate accordingly to assure our home Venue will not be left short while some of us are away challenging.Which we've done all season long the few times we've had to come back to GP an challenge. ---------- Last Edited on 8-Mar-2010 9:59 AM
vtxman59 GP Cheerleader 1227 posts Mar 08, 2010 11:55 AM	I hope ALL the medford players don't come, a few is fine though, as long as they leave some behind to support their venue. ----------
Ninja 34 posts Mar 08, 2010 1:10 PM	i think the best idea you have mentioned is to eliminate double points. that way maybe the amount of people going to the trophy challenge will be less. ----------
JackAzz56 44 posts Mar 08, 2010 1:30 PM	If your only attending a Venue for double points your there for the wrong reasons anyway. ----------
vtxman59 GP Cheerleader 1228 posts Mar 08, 2010 1:45 PM	exactly, Dave I didn't say eliminate, just reduce it only to the winner or defender, so only 1st place gets double points, already if you look at the point standings some players have more points, than they would if they were not getting double points for going to challenges, this is the other issue I had and have with the Trophy it skews points. if your concerned with points if your whole self worth depends on it, you have to go and challenge, or you will get left behind, and so you go and leave the home venues empty. ---------- Last Edited on 8-Mar-2010 1:47 PM
JackAzz56 45 posts Mar 08, 2010 2:12 PM	I personally play a lot differently when I am challenging or defending the trophy.That alone is my motivating tool as opposed to a night of playing for loose calls,chasing and wishful suck-outs.. My suggestion...double points for the Final 8 only and single for the rest,that includes the Consolation Game. Exchange phone #'s with your fellow players and build a plan for a select few to go challenge. ----------
Ninja 35 posts Mar 09, 2010 3:01 PM	Double points for just the winner or the top eight is useless for keeping some people at their own venue. When a person goes to challenge some don't go to get knocked out early, some go to bring the trophy home. if you think "everybody" who goes is there only for the trophy you are fooling yourself. yea it would be great to be the big winner and there are those who do go just for the trophy, but if that is the case the double points should be a moot situation, so why are you still talking about giving double points? ----------
jeffc 18 posts Mar 09, 2010 3:40 PM	We all have different motivations for playing and/or chasing the trophy. Therefore there is no way to “dissuade” a group of players by changing a single motivating factor. If you can’t dissuade a player from doing what motivates them you have to make it "illegal" to do so or at least not reward them for doing it. In other words change the rule to state, a trophy challenge should ONLY be valid if the challenging city has NO venue the night of the challenge. I see your point Dave on the five nights of local venues being a possibility. If that happened you would have to either challenge for the trophy on one of the other two nights a week your city does not have a venue (like Jed did on Saturday) OR if that’s not possible, be grateful your city has a place to play five nights a week and realize the price you pay for the privilege is no trophy chasing for awhile. It’s a small price to pay for keeping the league viable in our home cities. Trophy chasing/ defending is fun but not at the risk of losing a venue or two.
Ninja 36 posts Mar 10, 2010 10:06 AM	good thing an opinion is one person's point of veiw and not the final word to anything or we would be in deep.......................___________________________ ----------
jeffc 19 posts Mar 10, 2010 11:17 AM	Ha ha Linda. Good point though. It is only one persons opinion and I probably stated it a little strongly. I just got bummed out last week when, at two venues, we had to struggle just to get two tables filled... I'll get of my soapbox now :)
vtxman59 GP Cheerleader 1230 posts Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM	I am with Jeff on this Linda, I have the same issues with the trophy as I had with it last time, although the good points are getting different cities to play together, the bad part is the points are skewed by so many double point nights, and when venues are left near empty because half our players are gone a chasin, it hurts that venue, its a good thing we still have it tonight, JD's may not take too many more nights with 12 players. and it definatly is not just one persons opinion Linda, several players last wednesday were say the same kind of thing, when we were sitting at the final table before break. ----------
jack king off 63 posts Mar 10, 2010 12:25 PM	I like cheese! ----------
Ninja 37 posts Mar 12, 2010 11:39 AM	i was not disagreeing with anyone elses opinion, just giving my own. What I meant was that opinions are good and it is good for others to have the "same" opinion (as i was aware some did by reading the message board) and sticking together and agreeing is good for those who agree. i just was indicating that strong opinions people have are not to be taken as the last word or to be misconstrued as being the only "right" answer to a situation. And now, i'll get off my soapbox too. Hey Dan, cheese and crackers is better! ( just my opinion, ha, ha) ----------